I really enjoy the community as well as the sport. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. You are using an out of date browser. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. I wonder why the difference. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! This powder, like other very fast pistol powders, are not good for higher velocity ammunition and really only good for budget shooting ammo, competitions, or standard pressure ammo. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. That is all the negatives about it, it shoots just fine, its very economical and its just fine with accuracy. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. Loading 9mm RN with Titegroup data horsegoalie Apr 24, 2013 H horsegoalie Rating - 100% 6 0 0 Joined Sep 18, 2012 Messages 284 Likes 27 Apr 24, 2013 #1/11 I am starting a load with some Berry's 115gr RN plated bullets and Titegroup. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. 6 grains? Shellholders: Lee #19 I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. The desire to know, when, how, and if he should take these shots along with an unquenched thirst for competition, lead Brian to shoot precision rifle events. My conclusion is that a 115 gr. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. If you can't find a properly developed published load for that combination, do yourself a favor: Call Hodgdon, and ask them for the specific load data. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! Shes also the co-director of her local club, the AZ LRPRS, assisting in facilitating monthly matches throughout the year. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. Powered by Invision Community. ABOUT CHAD: Chad is a world champion elk caller and two-time Eastern US Elk Calling Champion. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. I am using CBI pistol powder. WARNING: If you are a newer reloader, you do not want to start out using this powder. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. You cannot paste images directly. Don't ask me why the maximum charge for Titegroup is higher with the 125 gn bullets. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! It's accurate and reliable. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. If you work from the max COL until they feed from the magazine and chamber correctly, you should find your ideal COL. My standard load is 124gr. I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. Starting at mid range up to max. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. I used data for 115gr FMJ because I thought that's what the Berry's bullets were. I have shot benchrest, F-Class, PRS, ELR, NRL hunter, and field matches. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. You say that now. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. She has since entered the Open division and has competed all over the country at numerous national level events, including the PRS Finale in 2018. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. Every match Ive been to that chronoshas the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. Next, plated bullets have tradionally been loaded using cast lead data. He retired from the North Kansas City Police Department after tours through Patrol Division and the K-9 Narcotics Unit, with additional duties as the Department Armorer, SRT Unit Sniper, and Range Officer/Instructor. containers. I got the Titegroup on a recommendation. Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. They are impressed by the light recoil and how cheap it is compared to buying new AA shells for practice or matches. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. It's for practice, not for competition. As long as they cycle fine in your guns, you should be good to go. Upgrade efforts paused for now. Only time I used TG in 9mm it was 4.5grs. Unique - 5.7 gn - 1250 fps. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Excellent pistol powder for accuracy and cowboy action shooting. I tried to make it "view only", if for some reason it does not come across that way please don't edit the document and let me know so I can adjust it. Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? I got the adjustable charge bar for rifle loads and tried it out with titegroup and it did not work. 2019 Alabama Precision Long Range Challenge 5th, 2021 Alabama Precision Long Range Classic 3rd. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. Powder is generally +/- 0.1 gr as it dropped using a Hornady powder drop on my Dillon xl650(although usually right at the listed charge). The more inexpensive "competition" powder. I was ordering my daughter an archery set and decided to order a Lee classic loader in 9mm. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. JavaScript is disabled. My brother gave me some Titegroup. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. Both are off according to the newer data I am not afraid to pull them apart and use data that I can easily find and a powder that has more bullets listed for it. I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. Great powder, would recommend it to anyone shooting & reloading. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. Her assignments included Patrol, Street Crimes, Narcotics, and Gangs. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Runs 100% reliable in everything, including 9mm AR and Beretta CX4 Storm. 4.2, 1.155 coal will work well. In 2015, Ryan and Dianna traveled to over 36 events across the world, including Italy and New Zealand. You can post now and register later. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. JavaScript is disabled. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. It also burns hot, runs hot in your gun. Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. Just dirty as we ever seen and HOT. Im loading either 115gr or 125gr HP. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Do not load above recommended manufacturer book maximums. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum Ball-Type Handloads. Load at your own risk. Hell they even have chrono`s that mount right on the barrels of rifles these days. Dianna has been highlighted by the NRA in American Warrior, the Washington Post and NRA Women. I use tight group for 9mm. OAL is about 1.139 give or take. All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. Depending upon the cartridge overall length. He has also put together the first online Precision Rifle Training series of its kind, gaining viewers from all over the world on the JC Steel Targets website. Growing up on a secluded farm in rural southeast Kansas, Ryan spent the greater part of his childhood in the woods, plinking and hunting. This made me wonder if it is a velocity issue, or a powder charge below 3.7gr issue since all these loads are for the same bullets. In that time I have used it for both hunting and competition. Most manuals stop at 147 grains, though Hodgdon and Vihtavuori have data for 150 grain bullets. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. Thanks for your patience. I sold off all except Titegroup. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. . Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. 1.100" Starting Load Grains 3.9 Some take the caution a little farther than needed but really nothing wrong with that. #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. Hodgdon on line data is a good place to look. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. When I first learned it was long before Algore had invented the net. They're mostly for use in an M11/9 submachinegun but they work fine in a S&W Shield also. Reloading is a personal responsibility and you must start low and work up and NEVER ASSUME. As it says on bottle, a little goes a long way.. YMMV. Just In the 2019 season, he will compete in twelve two-day national matches and 15 regional matches across the country, totaling 4,170 precision hand-loaded match rounds burning roughly 131,355 grains (18.75 pounds) of Varget in matches alone. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. No part of the landscape, from pop cans to squirrels, was immune to a 10 round burst from a Ruger. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. I load 115gr Berry's plated at 1.125" with 4.5gr of Titegroup. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Not cast, but I have 4k 124gr Barry's plated over 4.0gr. One is hard pressed to find a nicer person. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. To help get you started with load data we have collected information from what we consider to be a reliable source for easy reference. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. I don't pay so much attention to the bullet manufacturer when loading. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. The 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger velocities of 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps respectively were quite respectable, especially in the short-barreled SIG SAUER P365. Keyboards and steering wheels bring out the absolute worst in people. I do know its about mid charge range tho. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. So I looked up the Titegroup load data and The 115 grain 9mm load data for LRN is only .5 grains less than the 230 grain 45ACP LRN. Is this not a safe load? Todd is a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Lee made a micro charge disc that may help with small loads. Here is what I have to work with and have used a combination of 3 books, 3 magazines, and self-reported loads from the interwebs. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. I am using 115 gr jacketed bullets with Titegroup powder. Makes an impression on you. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. He is also a noted TV personality, regularly appearing on TV programs Shooting USA. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. HP and RN load data are practically interchangeable since you should be working up from the minimum anyways. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. What is your favorite firearm to load for? Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. Every match Ive been to that chronic has the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. 2.8 gr. Pasted as rich text. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. So you are saying you found data specificly for Berry's plated & TG? Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. Generally speaking, ~3.3 grains of Titegroup using a 147 grain bullet is about as vanilla of a competition load as it gets. After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. We recommend that you use published lead load data from reputable sources. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. 4.2 of titegroup over a 124FMJ is my 9mm load. Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. She helps organize and coordinate Arizonas own national level event, the Tactical Precision Rifle Challenge. In 2016, Phillip was nominated for Scout Sniper Instructor of the Year for his meticulous instruction that resulted in institutional changes in the training of Marine Scout Snipers in both formal schools and unit level training. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. Jaclyn has also taken up Extreme Long Range matches, including King of Two Miles in New Mexico, where she placed 14th out of 80 invited competitors. This is a new powder to me and I understand that it is a fast burn powder. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. I use 3.5g Titegroup under a 147g JHP. I want to be safe. Currently Jake has over 65 top three podium finishes in the last four years, another record! For a newb, you are treading on very thin ice & IMO, haven't enough exp to determine if your load is "fine". Close w/ TG can be problematic. and 8 lb. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. Ryan earned a Bachelors of Science in Chemistry and Plastics Engineering as well as a Masters of Science in Engineering Technologies. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. Nuff said. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. Dianna Muller earned a Bachelor of Science in Criminal Justice/Psychology from University of Central Missouri and retired from the Tulsa Police Department after 22 years of service. A lot of this powder fits in a case, over 10 grains, easily. For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. Would the hp OAL be the same as that of the RN? The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. Residing in Cheney Washington, Jake Vibbert owns JC Steel targets Inc. and is a strong competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and the National Rifle League. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. was 1146fps. I have some Titegroup I am planning on using in 9mm. Warning! I remember seeing something similar here long time back. ABOUT WYATT: Wyatt is 14 years old and has also hunted Africa, Hawaii and other states as well. tysdad115 Rating - 100% 15 0 0 Joined I'm hoping this data may help some others that are looking for some data with Titegroup powder. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. 10-12 ft according to my chronos instructions inorder to prevent getting false readings due to the muzzle blast. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . Loading is always at your own risk. Didn't see any Tightgroup on this chart but plenty others. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. I've had no issues in sever thousand loads, other than having to adjust COAL a few thousandths one way or the other. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. This is a flattened spherical powder. Makes a difference the JHP will be a little hot for FMJ - assuming you are not making SD rounds. Feb 27, 2020. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. You don't want to just use data from a similar bullet. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. I am gonna give it a try. Some of these loads are over manufacturer recommended maximums, DO NOT COPY or try! 3 grains? 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. 100% of all my handloads are done withHodgdonbrands. This is my first time posting a link to a google sheets doc. Brian now competes in both the PRS and NRL Pro series. I would like a lighter load for practicenothing too hot. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. This link will be updated as I continue to develop more loads and test them. For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. They are calibrated at/for specified distances. Hmm, I thought it was 5ft. For very low charge weights the opening is not big enough to constantly fill the volume resulting in very erratic metering. Skip this one, you can do better. Precision is making and looks forward to the future of creating the best professional custom rifles on the market. Clear editor. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp, https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-perfect-powder-measure-90058.html, Firearms News and Firearms related political news. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. Cases were mixed brands of commercial brass and not sorted by maker. Todd is also a sought-after firearms instructor for military, law enforcement, and competitive shooters around the world. 1.100 in. It may not display this or other websites correctly. So filling up half way looks normal. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. She remains the only female to take home overall wins in national level precision rifle competitions when she won the 2016 NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge and 2018 K&M Kahles Precision Rifle Competition. This section shows you A LOT of information about 9 MM powders and how they compete against each other using the same brass, same bullet, same OAL, same primer, same gun, same day, same conditions..the only thing that is different is the powder. and 8 lb. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. Anything between 3.6 and 4.0 should work fine. If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? 9mm/38 Caliber 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder By looking4reloadingdeals December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber Share Followers 0 Reply to this topic Start new topic 513 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly.