They also revealed that the Duke had pleaded with the King for an increased Royal responsibility as he feels 'he deserves to still be treated like a senior royal'. ``The lady had a lot of contacts around the country from her horse trading business, and she very well could have disappeared.'. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Trash-talking ex. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. She definitely did it. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. This is all BS.She did it. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. You say by definition! So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Veronica Barbara Katrinak. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. And NOBODY saw her at all? Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Not sure why anyone is defending her. Hoist by your own petard. ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! And the obvious answer is not as you claim. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Neely's motion on Rorrer's behalf argues that new information from the lab reports show the samples had no roots, while the testing that identified the strands as Rorrer's showed they had roots, The Morning Call reports. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. Your email address will not be published. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. Unbloody vehicle. Animals would have for sure. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Its nine minutes into the video. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Andrew Tate 's legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? There are innocent people in prison. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Theres speculation and theres lies period. ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. The influencers doctors have thus requested for Mr Tates release from prison so he can receive medical treatment in Dubai. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). . YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Her mother was married to my uncle. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Great communicator. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Kurt Bresswein may be reached at kbresswein@lehighvalleylive.com. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Browse Locations. Join thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their replies, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. Still, no good leads materialized. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. They are total bs. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. Mrs. Katrinak's husband, Andrew, reported his wife and son missing in December 1994 after they failed to show up at his mother's house. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. And she will have to answer eventually. In recent weeks, the King has reportedly asked all members of the royal family to tighten their belts and to expect less money from the Duchy now owned by Charles than in the past. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Why not question some of this evidence? And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Nope. 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Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. So, lets take your response one step at a time. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Taking into account various assets, Andrew's net worth is greater than $25,000 - $49,999; and makes between $50 - 59,999 a year. None. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. According to a police affidavit, Rorrer called the Katrinak house in mid-December 1994. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. You people are fighting a losing cause! This isn't Rorrer's first brush with the law. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Rorrer, formerly of the Phillipsburgand High Bridge areas, was living in Linwood, North Carolina, when she was arrested in 1997. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Her daughter, Andrea Bruner, 14, baby-sat for Rorrer's baby daughter last fall. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? False. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. (Nope. They blocked each exit to make sure police couldn't extradite Rorrer before they saw her. ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Katrinak and others you may know. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. It has very bad energy. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. Walmart woe. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Play it now! His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). He helped her take horses to day care centers, where she would take photographs of children with the horses. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. How is it that these women are paroled? Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! When Joann Katrinak and the baby didn't show up for a planned afternoon of Christmas shopping on Dec. 15, Katrinak called the police. When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Sad discovery. Stayed tuned - Alex Murdaugh's sordid tale is just getting started, Alex Murdaugh's head is shaved as he is booked into South Carolina prison fortress for weeks of evaluation before being sent to a maximum security facility housing the 'worst of the worst', At least 10 dead as wild storms lash the U.S: Tornadoes and golf ball-sized hail topples trucks and leaves one million without power in Kentucky, Alabama and Arkansas - after dumping 17 feet of snow in California, Massive gas tanker crashes in Maryland and EXPLODES into fireball killing the driver and setting local residents' homes ablaze as large plumes of black smoke and embers billow from crash site, 'I want to be a French child!' Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Thank you Kerry. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Book her. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Have you read the book? They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. The two kept in touch by telephone, and in 1991, Rorrer briefly sought refuge at Katrinak's home in Catasauqua after being assaulted by another boyfriend. How so? Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Name. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. Living on the edge (literally! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. They are a joke. Patricia L. Rorrer was taken into custody from the Linwood home she shared with her boyfriend and 1-year-old daughter on June 24, 1997. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! Hoist by my own petard! The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. They had 7 children: Eleanor Dorothy Thornberg (born Katrinak) and 6 other children. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee.