No Reserve . Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Classic Browning Light Twelve Auto-5 Review: Busting Clays With the Old Humpback Shotgun. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our I hunker down and blaze away. Has a Cutz on the end of the barrel. . The buttstock was reshaped on Model 12 shotguns again in the mid-1950s. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. And our It is at my engraver now. only one I have ever seen unless TS member owns one? The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? Beautiful grain pattern and very tight hand checkering on the stock . - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, about earning points with eBay Mastercard, Report this item - opens in new window or tab. (no choke stamp on barrel). This is a shotgun I should never have sold. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. The era of plentiful ducks and liberal bag limits was also ending. His handload was a .heavy load of Herco powder and 2 ounces of shot, either 2s or 4s. The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. Condition: excellent bright bore, 98% blue overall thinn, Winchester Model 12. Manufactured in 1962. The 3-inch shell was chambered originally in the famous Super Fox long-range double. It was an immediate success. 30" Full choke barrel. I have a questionwhen a gun is described as having a "milled rib" I thought that referred to the fact that the barrel had posts that were milled as part of the barrel instead of being attachedI see guns described as having "round post milled ribs" I don't think that is correct? Down pitch remained 2-1/2 inches with the 30-inch barrel throughout production. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. That is true about Model 42s, but, as far as researchers know, it is not true about Model 12s. Charles Askins commented on the new Model 12 duck gun in the March 1936 issue of Outdoor Life: This should be the best long-range repeating shotgun now made or that has been made. No faint praise, but hardly a surprise. Blue is good showing wear on high spots. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. For more information: www.p65warnings.ca.gov. Serial numbers match on barrel and receiver. S/N 1,589,*** made in 1954. These were called long-range waterfowl guns.. Also available initially were standard trap and special trap grades. It is possible for the slide lock to fail to unlock the action during recoil. Total production reached two million. I wish I had them back! Generally, a Simmons rib gun will bring a higher price than a plain barrel gun, and a lower price than a solid rib or Winchester vent rib gun, all other factors being equal. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. If not it has been shot very little and stored under the right conditions. Charles Askins provides data for the patterning of several of his personal shotguns with Westerns Super X shells loaded with their new #4 copper-plated shot. Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. $550 USD. Alarm calls! Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. The $48 price tag was right. A Simmons Rib has been added to the barrel and the metal was refinished. The number of pellet holes was divided by the average number of pellets in the load to produce the pattern percentage. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. But it would be my guess that the wood has been refinished and the gun has been reblued. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Winchester Model 12 12 ga 26" oal aftermarket poly choke and vent rib at the best online prices at eBay! And you are not right about them becouse the model 12 evolved over time with improvements you didn't seem to catch becouse you are probable not a shooter. Sto, Used Winchester 12 20 Gauge, Pump-Action Shotgun, 25" Barrel Wood Stock, No Box. Deluxe checkered walnut, Its new in the original box with associate paperwork in wrapping paper.. has mi, Metal surfaces rate very good, handling marks to wood. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. The duck gun sent to the American Rifleman staff in 1935 would not unlock during recoil. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Harold Williamson, in his book Winchester, The Gun That Won the West, relates that the new management of Winchester embarked on a program that involved an extraordinary departure from the companys previous operations and the investment of borrowed capital in large amounts. Winchester struggled through a decade of inept product diversification that was terminated by the Great Depression. This gun has been single family owned since bought used in 1967. Mechanically excellent. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. The stock is the upgraded Monte Carlo style capped pistol grip, heavy pad, upgraded wood, and cheek rest. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Model 12 duck guns could be ordered in pidgeon grade, featuring fancy wood and meticulous fitting and finish of parts. The deeply blued barrel and receiver frame are very good. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Later pump guns, such as the Remington Model 870 and Mossberg Model 500, do not have the slide lock feature. Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. See pi, Winchester Model 12, 28 gauge SKEET pump action shotgun, circa 1955. I always wondered what the royalty was to Simmons on the Winchester Special Ventilated Rib that they installed. I don't believe it has been fired. 2. Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge (W9229) Price: $3,250.00 Item Number: W9229 Previously sold Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge shotgun. As you know that, Winchester Model 12 (factory original) 28-gauge pump action shotgun. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. Including this gun, they found a total of 4 gun with a 1919 date. , The Winchester Model 12 Y series was introduced in 1972 and made until about 1984. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. The load averaged 67.5% (range 62-72.5%), in a 30-inch circle at 40 yards. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Dave Riffle in his book, The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built: The Model 12 1912-1964, states The Winchester Model 12 was, and still remains, the only gun that was offered in over 100 different variations or configurations during its lifetime. It is fair to say that Winchester produced Model 12 shotguns for every conceivable shotgunning special interest group, including duck hunters. Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. Bore is excellent. 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. However, the gun for which Johnson is best remembered is his Model 12 pump-action shotgun, The Perfect Repeater.. Nash Buckingham was one of the great duck-hunting writers of the period. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. Although acquired many years apart, the two duck guns are of nearly the same vintages, 1952 and 1953. The price in 1963 was $122 compared to $109.50 for the standard Model 12. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. When it was. Bids. When winchester changed the chamber to 3" did they mark the barrels or reproof? I recently acquired a 1921 gun. Westerns 3-inch 12-gauge magnum with 1 3/8-ounces of shot was introduced the same year. Skeet gun marked "2 7/8" chamber skeet 28 gauge. This shotg, FOR SALE IS A VERY NICE VINTAGE WINCHESTER MODEL 12, 12GA GA SHOTGUN. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. Each fired target was turned over and a 30-inch cardboard disc placed to cover the maximum number for pellet holes. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! 31 12 ga. pump shotgun w/ Simmons ventilated rib - walnut checkered stock & forearm - & 30" Model 12 Skeet Pump Shotgun. The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. Produced in 1961. Winchester was bankrupt and went into receivership in January 1931. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Smith Double Barrel Shotgun $250 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Twenty" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning "Light Twelve" Semi Automatic Shotgun $200 Mar 24, 2023 Browning Pump Action Shotgun $150 I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. And, as WRACO states, Simmons installed Model 12 ribbed guns were sold by Simmons, not Winchester. You are correct. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. Recent 3 1/2-inch 12-gauge shells will create dangerous pressure in the 3-inch duck gun chamber. "Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known." Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. I believe the blueing to be original. Now I have never been wrong about anything in my lifeLOLjust kidding, but the way I read it on the top of page 109JMHOThanks, WC. Item. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. Western brought out their Super-X 2-3/4 and 3-inch shotshells in 1921. JavaScript is disabled. He spent many years as firearms editor for Outdoor Life and later Field and Stream, as well as shotgun editor for the American Rifleman. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. Advanced . Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. I used to club trap targets with it. 1934 skeet grade offerd. ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. One of my favorite subjectsI've read and reread the books by Madis, Riffle, and Stadt, and I still find it a little confusing. It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. In the 1950's Winchester's costs were losing pace with what they were ablle to sell their products for. The new Model 12 duck gun was introduced to long-range waterfowl hunters habituated to heavy double shotguns chambered for 3-inch shells. Stadt's book is a very good book that alot of people don't seem to know about. Regards Chuck. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. I have the wood all refinished. The perimeter of the disc was then marked and the enclosed pellet holes counted. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. The Model 21 received duck gun status in 1940, although 3-inch chambers could be ordered earlier. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Westerns copper-plated shot, introduced about 1925, extended shotgun range even further. Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. This test determines if excessive peening of the bolt locking cut in the receiver has occurred. Model 12 duck guns are highly specialized tools for a very limited number of duck hunters who can regularly center a duck at 40-60 yards, and need to. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. The standard 12-gauge duck load in 1921 was a 2 3/4-inch shell holding 3 3/4-drams equivalent powder and 1 1/4-ounces of shot. The balance point is the takedown joint. The nearest thing to a Model Twelve that could appear, whether domestic or foreign, would be a shotgun with the same model designation, but it would not and could not be a Model Twelve. Browning, in fact, did import foreign-made copies of the Model 12 after Madis wrote the above. Can you help me out? 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This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. THE SHOT GUN IS IN VERY GOOD CONDITION , WITH A 28 IN VENTILATED RIB BARREL WITH FULL CHOKE. THIS SHOTGUN WAS A LIMITED RUN OF 4000 MADE BETWEEN 93-95. The Pitt-man-Robertson Act of 1937 began an 11 percent excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. The less pronounced pistol grip-style buttstock of the original Model 12 was discontinued in late 1934 and is not found on duck guns. I kept the ones that were dearer to me so now they live in safes and I hate the safes. SERIAL NUMBER 39346 NO ALTERATIONS OF WOOD OR METAL. Gunsmithing Services - Simmons Gun Repair Full list of professional Gunsmithing services and prices at Simmons Gun Repair Shop All productsBest sellingHand gunsRiflesShot gunsAmmunitionOther ServicesBuild an ARAboutFAQContact UsSign Up Shop All productsBest sellingHand gunsRiflesShot gunsAmmunitionOther ServicesBuild an ARAboutFAQContact UsSign Up the barrel and chamber are bright and clean. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The Duck Stamp Law of 1934 was enacted to provide funds for waterfowl propagation. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Its failure to release on discharge made it impossible to shoot doubles [at skeet] with this particular sample. The staff concluded, Mechanically, the sample was not as good as other guns of the same model. Noted were machine marks on the breech bolt, wood not closely fitted, primers struck off center and sharp edges at the chamber. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent RibManufactured in 1952. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. The locked breech bolts of both guns have little perceptible play when the rear of the bolt is pressed from the side. Thought behind it was that a taller rib on the bbl and a higher comb on the stock would help prevent "head lifting". Saint Charles, Missouri. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. another state. The famous Winchester Model 1912 pump shotgun was designed by Winchester's Thomas C. Johnson. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. so recall pads helped and they offerd hydro coil-stocks. IMMEDIATELY its how business should be done. As good as the Brownings are, Ill just keep my Model 12s from New Haven. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. It looks like it is in very good shape. Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. But for some reason, buying a gun online can generous return policy, and handle everything you dont have to go back to In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. Riffle's excellent reference book on the Model 12 notes the 1919 patent date for the two-pin rib, but suggests that the rib was not on the market until 1920. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. Madis comments Fancy walnut was considered too fancy for the rough treatment often given a duck gun. Fancy walnut could be ordered and the few pidgeon-grade duck guns had fancy walnut. At Guns.com, if an FFL is Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. The barrels and receivers of Model 12 duck guns are made from Winchester Proof Steel. This steel was first used in the Model 21 double introduced in 1931. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Ernie Simmons of Olathe, Kansas, a gunsmithing "whiz-kid" and a fairly good skeet shooter to boot-they were involved in the later cost-saving Winchester ventilated ribs for various Winchester shotguns- Model 12's, Model 50's, possibly Model 21's-. By signing up you agree to Guns.com's 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. As far as early 2 pins, remember there were a few made as early as 1919, standard and "graded" model 12's (ie) "Black Diamaonds" they had the longer checkered forearm. Houze relates that for the Model 12 the Watrous report suggested improve the smoothness of the action as it is criticized for being rough. How this was to be accomplished is not related but closer hand-fitting and gauging of parts was likely. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. 30 Barrel. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. own to figure out what you want. I have read the 3 different books I have on model 12's from cover to cover many times. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. I offer the following example from What Rarer Day in Buckinghams book De Shootinest Gentman and Other Tales published in 1934. Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge.