Sometimes, if you are paying attentionclose attentionyou can see it coming, even if only barely. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. And he'd be like(turns. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Imagine it. It was like Andrew died and then was reborn for a second chance. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. Dear Zachary will have its World Premiere at the Slamdance Film Festival, January 17-25, 2008 in Park City, Utah! Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. If a suitable candidate is not identified, the award will not be given for that year. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Meeting her at 6. January 15, 2008: Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. After Zacharys death, the Bagbys began a quest to have Canadas bail laws changed. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. Cpl. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. A Kate Bagby is an Advisory Member at Mothers Against Murder based in Los Altos, California. And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. They should have been given custody of Zachary to begin with. Kate Bagby feels her son was too trusting to agree to meet Turner at the park the day he was killed. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Awaiting extradition, Turner drowned 13-month-old Zachary and took her own life as well. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Or it's in the car. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. I dont understand how that can be ignored.. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. This abridged version was prepared personally by Kurt Kuenne in order to comply with CBC Newsworld's time constraints but preserve the film's impact while reaching a wider audience in Canada. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. Ad Choices. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. She was deranged. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. Did. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. IE 11 is not supported. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? They are warm. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). Blood red screen. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. . Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. January 28, 2008: KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. I would really like for you and Kate. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. I'm tired of this. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. They are warm. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. If nothing else is accomplished with this film, it will absolutely attach you to the too-short life that was Andrew Bagby's, and you're going to be sad that you didn't get a chance to know him -- but glad all the same that you know ABOUT him now." MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. Check your local listings for channel info. 2023 Cond Nast. I sat there. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. This movie is the kind of nightmare no one could dream up. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. he was fussy at all. Oh, my. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. The night was. Add a bio, trivia, and more. When Kate reached down to wipe one away, she accidentally knocked out the plug used to mask his facial wound. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. Not too long ago? And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. Please consider joining us in this mission by becoming a member of the SaltWire Network and helping to make our communities better. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. View Source Suggest Edits Memorial Photos Flowers Maintained by: Tracy Lane MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. An unusually personal and powerful story of a murder, it may offer something of a counterweight to the forces of bias and prurience that often pull the genre off-track. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. This marks the first time in history an MP from Newfoundland has been able to get a private member's bill through Parliament; since 2001, 2,510 Private Member's Bills have been introduced in the House of Commons, but only 23 - less than 1% - have received Royal Assent. -, "It's Kate and David Bagby who are the moral center of this film. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. And tears are dropping on him, of course, and Kate went to wipe one of those away off his cheek, and a plug came out, where hed been shot in the left cheek. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. to reconsider getting some help with that. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. murderer in check. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. us around. MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' This is what that fucking bitch didnt know, David Bagby fumes towards the end of Dear Zachary. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . I can understand that. This is where the foreshadowed bureaucracy comes back. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Now, she sucked us in here, too. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. At least he might have asleep when she went in. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. Shirley. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. I had this overwhelming feeling. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries. It's great. I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. Blu-ray: Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. 2015 - 2020. Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL Click here for ticket information! Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Complicating things further, she soon announced that she was pregnant with Bagbys child. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' would be the difference if one person weren't alive? David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Then the questioner got choked up.the best thing I've seen in Austin (at SXSW)." "We had to do something.. Oh, my God. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Still grieving the death of their son, the Bagbys moved to Newfoundland and fought for custody of Zachary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? I had a husband I loved. October 22, 2009: Cpl. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. We did have him for a little while, she said. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Office Manager. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. What kind of headfuck must that be? Former Production Manager at Mountain Gospel Radio. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. But their efforts to. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. And in that way this tragedy remains hers and hers alone. You were done. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. They held their breath. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. Djing. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. And if that picture never reveals itself, it feels like a letdown, not a tragedy. Turner shot Bagby two days after he broke up with her at a Pennsylvania airport as she was set to fly back to Iowa. Zachary didn't seem like. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. In that time, it becomes clear that, thankfully, baby Zachary has his fathers penchant for emotional maturity and gravitates not towards his mother, but to his grandmother. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Mr. and Mrs. David Bagby will be notified of the award, and may request background information on the recipient to facilitate any contact between the recipient and the Bagbys. I got to go to the trial. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. I--we both did. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. (SPOILER WARNING: Do not watch this short until you have seen Dear Zachary. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. Please check back for updates as the bill makes its way through the Senate in the coming weeks -- and if you are a Canadian Citizen, please write your Senator to voice your support of C-464 during this crucial time. This film will be one of the best you're likely to see this year." I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Dear Zachary was a hit at Slamdance! In the end, she died, but love did not. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Both screenings received sustained standing ovations, and the Toronto audience applauded yet again when director Kurt Kuenne announced that he had sent letters to every member of Parliament requesting the opportunity to screen the film for them. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? Then, suddenly, tears. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. Ensure local journalism stays in your community by purchasing a membership today. MORRISON: What do you do about this? Mommy loves you. The documentary was originally released in 2008. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Turner killed herself and Zachary before she could be tried for murder. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. Mommy misses you. Andrew came to St. John's. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? Help contribute to IMDb. The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. David bagby, left, and kate bagby, right, celebrate with their son andrew bagby at his graduation from medical school at memorial university of newfoundland in june 2000. contributed by david and kate bagby. Then, upon. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book When Kuenne narrates the particulars of the crime, the evidence, or the legal proceedings, his voiceover shifts to a stylized, rapid-fire clip, making it easy for the audience to miss key details.
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